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If you want to send comments, we appreciate whatever you have to say and thank you for your time. Out of courtesy, we make our best effort to respond to all messages, but sometimes our other priorities bar our ability to respond or our responses will be delayed.
After all this time we seem to run into many questions that repeat the same thoughts over and over, so before you email us, please scroll through the following section. You may find your comment has already been addressed. At the bottom of this page is our e-mail address.
Here's a list of the most common questions and comments submitted to NHS. It might seem a little defensive, but after doing this for years and reading thousands of e-mail messages, the same old tactics and tired lines from 49er fans get a bit boring:
This one is one of our favorites, since it implies that one who creates the page has no life, but those that spend the time reading it and responding do have a life. Hmm...
Thank you for another example of 49er fan class. We never know if people can truly be so ignorant or if they are just trying to be stereotypical to make our comments page...
We are a Society of people, not one person, with each individual rooting for their personal favorite team. While each member is a dedicated fanatic for their team of choice, the only team we all have in common is the team we hate: the 49ers.
Whether or not the Cowboys "suck" DOES NOT MATTER TO US BECAUSE WE DON'T ENDORSE THE COWBOYS. Nor do we endorse the Packers, Vikings, Broncos, Colts, Falcons, or any other team in the NFL. So any gloating that another team is struggling has no effect on us at all.
If we were sitting here saying, "49ers suck!" then you might have a point. But we don't say the 49ers suck. We acknowledge whatever success they've had and then move beyond that with tangible arguments concerning valid issues. Dismissing our difference of opinion as jealousy is a close-minded viewpoint. If winning was the only criteria for us, we would create "hater pages" for any team that wins. But you won't see us running out there and creating the Packers-Haters Society, Chicago Bulls-Haters Society, New York Yankees-Haters Society, etc., just because they win.
Clearly, there are other problems unique to the 49ers that we are concerned with. The 49ers' recent success is not the problem. It is the arrogance, ignorance, hypocrisy, and double-standards that stem from that winning.
If you look at the actual title of our website, you'll see that this isn't the forum for heaping accolades on the Niners -- you can read pretty much any newspaper or sports magazine if you want that. Respect isn't the issue -- the issue is our belief that the Niners aren't the "Best Ever", they aren't "classy", and that there might be more to the stats than the average fan thinks.
We're not making fun of it at all; again, as we said, we'd rather not see anyone get injured. We merely wanted to comment that after going injury-free for over 12 years, the law of averages finally caught up with Jerry, and the fact that he didn't get injured in that time was not attributable to any skill or "work ethic" by Rice, just as the fact that he did get injured doesn't prove he "sucks".
When you start arguing that the 49ers behave exactly like any other team, you are beginning to see what we are saying here. Repeat it again: all other teams do that. Yet, somehow the Niners are regarded as being the pinnacle of "class", the "class of the NFL" and better than all other teams, despite the fact that their actions fly in the face of this on a regular basis. Keep in mind that when you say "other teams do that", you're echoing what we're trying to impart.
Yes, the 49ers have won 5 Super Bowls in 5 trips, but this does not impart the significance 49er fans would like or make them the "greatest team ever" as most 49er fans believe.
For one, the record, 5-0, makes for a good answer to a trivia question, but really has no substantial value. The Cowboys have also won 5 Super Bowls and are 5-3. Are you really trying to say the 49ers are somehow better than the Cowboys because the Cowboys lost those 3 extra Super Bowl games? That's silly. Obviously, getting to the Super Bowl is an achievement unto itself. It's better to get there and lose than not get there at all. In short, the Cowboys remain best in Super Bowl history based on number of games played and wins. All the winning percentage says about the 49ers is that they've only been to the Super Bowl 5 times -- if they are truly such a great team, how come they haven't been there more, or at least have as many trips as the Cowboys? Finally, in case you haven't noticed, during the time the 49ers have been undefeated, basically EVERY NFC team was also undefeated. It's not too hard to win the Super Bowl against the Bengals and Chargers, and Bengals again. Maybe if the 49ers had been to the Super Bowl when there was better competition their undefeated mark would be more persuasive.
In addition, the Super Bowl is not the end-all, be-all of football worth. In case you didn't know, professional football was played and championships were won long before the fancy name "Super Bowl" was coined. Green Bay, a.k.a. Titletown, leads all teams with 12 championships, as opposed to the 49ers' precious little 5.
Two things -- one, most likely these coaches were assistants at other places before they ended up with the Niners. Remember, Mike Shanahan was the head coach of the Raiders before going to SF; likewise with Pete Carroll, who coached the Jets prior to his stint with the Niners. But, more significantly, number two -- so what? How does an individual's success as an assistant with the Niners and his subsequent hiring as a head coach somewhere else equate to the Niners being the "Best Ever"? Even lovable George Seifert has remarked that now that he coaches for another franchise, any and all loyalty is instantly transferred to that new franchise.
Which, if you read the site, is one of the reasons we hate the Niners. The NHS founders do not like the 49ers offensive system; we find it cowardly and boring. We consider it a big reason for the growing sentiment that the current NFL is mediocre. Regardless, the proliferation of this "get-rid-of-it-and-save-your-ass" offense, as Terry Bradshaw calls it, does not equate into the Niners being the "Best Ever". It just means that like any other offensive fad, they've had success with it and people are bound to copy it. The 49ers have joined many other teams in using the Zone Blitz -- does that mean Carolina is the best team ever? Also, as the true students of the game point out to us, often in a condescending manner, Walsh was not the originator of the short-passing system -- it goes back to Paul Brown.
We thank you for visiting our website and appreciate any praise you send along. But remember, the only way we can continue to bring this website to you is through the support of our members. If you like what you see and understand the 49er Problem, you should do something about it by becoming a member!
When you write to us, remember that you aren't writing to a single person, but a Society. Several different members answer our e-mail, and you will get responses that reflect our collective philosophy. Also, any "smak talk" garbage will be tossed into the appropriate trash receptacle, because any 5 year old can do that and it's a waste of time. Finally, if you're a bitter 49er fan and simply regurgitate what's already been asked and answered, don't scratch your head wondering why we never wrote back.
And thanks again for your comments.
Here are some things readers like you are saying about the 49er-Haters Society. In the interest of fairness, we print some of the negative comments. Some editing is done, but most emphasis is left untouched. For up-to-the-minute responses, log on to our Delphi message board!
"49er-Hater Society ? Sounds good to me.. I have hated the whiners for many a year...Count me in..."
"Dudes, this is an awesome page...I too have suffered through years of whining from coaches, players, fans and the local media...IMO, Bill Walsh was the ORIGINAL whiner since he always had an excuse for losing. Never did the opposition beat the Niners according to the "Genius"..."
"I like your web site and would like to put it on my links page..."
"I love it!!!!!!!! My own personal name for Merton Hanks' new endzone dance is 'The Spastic Colon.' No other name seemed to fit..."
"I can truly relate with your vivid portrayals of these clowns called the "Niners". I truly enjoy seeing them lose in the manner that they did, and also found it very funny! Maybe now we can all tell Tim McDonald to stick it up his..."
"Excellent 49er Hater Web Page! This is the kind of news we need to see reported across the country! Two thumbs up!"
"Great page...this was like finding Heaven on the net. The true Niner "faithful" were exposed when they were leaving after the third quarter. Keep up the good work!"
"I have to say, I thoroughly enjoyed your article about why [Rice] is not the best receiver ever. Although I am a 'Niner fan, your points are pretty interesting, humorous, and generally fun to read."
"Just thought I'd commend you on a great job. Reading your comments I was certain that you taped some of my tirades, but I know that I'm not so eloquent. Anyway - great job."
"I couldn't agree more on the Jerry Rice comments. In fact, you rarely see Jerry Rice make an acrobatic or even difficult catch. He is a high-octane type of machine that does not take to being roughed up or do anything besides run slants..."
"I am a firm believer that the Niners are extremely irritating. But even more irritating are the Niner fans. Never in my life have I seen such spineless, two-faced, front-runner fans. When the Niners lost to the Packers you could hear the collective whine anywhere in the United States! It's amazing that a group of people in the Bay Area do not have the integrity or the balls to be a leader and root for a team of their own choice rather than public opinion. I will always pity the "Niner fan" because of the lack of football knowledge and their wimpy quest for a Super Bowl champion every year. One day Rice will be gone, Montana dead and buried and then you will witness countless Niner front-runner fans searching for a new winning team. I toast the real football fans, no matter what team they root for. Niner fans need to grow some gonads and jump off the bandwagon."
"You guys suck!!"
"Rice does not SUCK you SUCK! He is the best receiver ever! He could out run ALL you guys with one leg tied behind his back. The only reason that YOU guys are gelous of him. And the whole 49ers club. BECAUSE your teams SUCK DIRT and they can't catch the ball!"
"I am thrilled that you have spent so much time on this little web page of yours. Only a team that is truly dominant in the NFL could cause such negativity by jealous fans of other, less worthy teams. Obviously, everybody loves a winner, and you're nobody. Thanks for the laughs!"
"...I suggest you learn a little more about football before writing anything else."
"You are SICK! Your web page is fine--sorry you didn't put the same effort into saying something POSITIVE.. I will think of you when I am semi-engaged in watching the Steelers-Cowboys Stupor Bowl..."
You f***ing dirty bastard, I should just kick the f***ing s**t out of you for just saying that about SF. If I only knew where the f**k you lived I would f***ing beat you like a f***ing bitch you f**k. SF has made many great moments in time and there's no erasing history you f***ing drunk bastard.
Gotta love those classy 49er fans! And to think they make fun of Raiders fans...
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